What's new in 6.3

[Tech Electronics]

Guys,

Isn't the SIP only version considered to be the 6800 series not the 6900 series?

Thanks,

TE

[jmarcwsp1]

What does MiNet "not available" mean?

[BlackSunshine]

The 6900 series phones only work in Non-sip mode otherwise known as Minet on 3300 /mivoice business 8.0.  The phones wasn’t released in SIP mode. Now it is available in SIP mode via tftp upgrade but will only work in SIP mode on 3300 and now Mitel 250 and Mitel One and Mitel 400. The 6900 series do resemble 6800 series however you can’t add any Mitel made cordless devices such as dect / Bluetooth handset and headset to 6800 series phone.  6800 series phones will work on any sip platform. 6900 series phone even in sip mode will only work on Mitel platforms can connect to Broadsoft or other soft switches

[jmarcwsp1]

Thanks!!!

[acejavelin]

I'm confused here... so the 6900 series will ONLY work in SIP mode to the 5000 and only with MiVOAS?!?! Is this a temporary thing until they fully implement MiNET mode for them in the 5000 in release 7.0 (or 6.3.1 or whatever)?

We have a couple systems proposed but are waiting for the 6900 series phones to be available, reconfigure, and re-bid... they have seen the 6900 series on the 3300 and don't want the "old" 5300 series phones after seeing the new ones. Our fear is if it takes too long they will look at a different product.

[BlackSunshine]

I'm confused here... so the 6900 series will ONLY work in SIP mode to the 5000 and only with MiVOAS?!?! Is this a temporary thing until they fully implement MiNET mode for them in the 5000 in release 7.0 (or 6.3.1 or whatever)?

We have a couple systems proposed but are waiting for the 6900 series phones to be available, reconfigure, and re-bid... they have seen the 6900 series on the 3300 and don't want the "old" 5300 series phones after seeing the new ones. Our fear is if it takes too long they will look at a different product.

Trust me I’m in same boat.  I have given up on 6900 minet on 5000.  If it is available you will be required to purchase MAS/phone manager and a phone manager license for each 6900.  The problem is the 6900 series phones eat up resources in minet and the 5000 runnng on a flash isn’t enough.  The 3300 can’t handle to tftp duties once you get past 100 phones.  Not to mention the 6900 series phones will be odd on a 5000 unless it’s a 6940...screen is small and not enough buttons to emulate a 5340/ 8568 unless you use a 6940

[Tech Electronics]

BlackSunshine,

The 3300 can’t handle to tftp duties once you get past 100 phones.

Since when it that a thing? I have 2 systems with well over 200 phones per and haven't had any issues with TFTP on either one. The only issue I have had with TFTP with the 6900 on a 3300 was when the firmware load was too low on the 6900 and it wouldn't upgrade. Once the phone was brought up to a version of firmware that would upgrade off the 3300 the problem went away.

Thanks,

TE

[acejavelin]

BlackSunshine,

The 3300 can’t handle to tftp duties once you get past 100 phones.

Since when it that a thing? I have 2 systems with well over 200 phones per and haven't had any issues with TFTP on either one. The only issue I have had with TFTP with the 6900 on a 3300 was when the firmware load was too low on the 6900 and it wouldn't upgrade. Once the phone was brought up to a version of firmware that would upgrade off the 3300 the problem went away.

Thanks,

TE

I would have to agree... we have systems with hundreds of phones that the 3300 does the TFTP duties with no issues, one site I know of has just over 700 IP phones phones registered to one MXeII controller. Granted it gets a little slow immediately following an upgrade as the phones update, but the system has no issues handling the job. We also have more than one virtual 3300 dealing with 500-1000 phones with no problems.

[BlackSunshine]

BlackSunshine,

The 3300 can’t handle to tftp duties once you get past 100 phones.

Since when it that a thing? I have 2 systems with well over 200 phones per and haven't had any issues with TFTP on either one. The only issue I have had with TFTP with the 6900 on a 3300 was when the firmware load was too low on the 6900 and it wouldn't upgrade. Once the phone was brought up to a version of firmware that would upgrade off the 3300 the problem went away.

Thanks,

TE

Sorry it’s 100 for an AX page 30 of Mitel mivoice business engineering guideline 8.0....its 200 -6900 on MXE Controller page 35 of engineering guideline 8.0....also page 176 of same guide

[acejavelin]

BlackSunshine,

The 3300 can’t handle to tftp duties once you get past 100 phones.

Since when it that a thing? I have 2 systems with well over 200 phones per and haven't had any issues with TFTP on either one. The only issue I have had with TFTP with the 6900 on a 3300 was when the firmware load was too low on the 6900 and it wouldn't upgrade. Once the phone was brought up to a version of firmware that would upgrade off the 3300 the problem went away.

Thanks,

TE

Sorry it’s 100 for an AX page 30 of Mitel mivoice business engineering guideline 8.0....its 200 -6900 on MXE Controller page 35 of engineering guideline 8.0....also page 176 of same guide

Yes, and virtual controllers can handle the TFTP duties for 1500 sets of the 6900 series.... without going to an external TFTP server. The issue isn't with the operation of the phones or the resources they use in operation, but in the massive TFTP services they need. A MiVO250 could just as easily configured for a external TFTP server as any other Mitel system.

We could argue this all day, and interpret the engineering guide in several different ways for various scenarios, but it isn't really the point and we are not here to fight are we?

I remember the Inter-tel 5000 v1.2... it supported ~25 IP phones, through tweaks and refinements it's capacity increased 10 fold. I am sure Mitel will figure out a way to implement the 6900 series phones on the 5000 platform, or find an alternative that doesn't require a separate Phone Manager server, but the information we have this far seems to reinforce the fact it won't be happening any time soon.

[Tech Electronics]

acejavelin,

My understanding is that the new release for the MiVO-250 won't be until sometime in Feb 2018 at the earliest. That gives them plenty of time to figure that issue out.

Besides the compact flash couldn't possibly be the drawback to implementing the 69xx series phone as a MiNet phone. The compact flash is just the hard drive and the size of the files for the 69xx series phones are not large enough to fill up what is leftover after implementing a system. Even if that were the case you could put in an external TFTP as you had already stated.

It is more likely the HTML aspect of the phone is going to cause problems with processing power than anything else.

At this point I believe it is a wait and see moment. Oh!! Oh!! They could bring back the 7000 and that would work great with these new SIP phones.

Thanks,

TE

[BlackSunshine]

SIP R5.0 Firmware for MiVoice 6900 Phone Family & Mitel 6800 Phone Family Upgrade PDF FAQ

7.1.7 Can 6900 phones be used with any Call Manager?
No. The 6900 firmware is locked so that it will only work with Mitel platforms. If a user attempts to
configure and connect to a third-party server (e.g. Broadsoft) then the SIP accounts will not register.

7.1.8 Are 6800 phones locked if we install R5.0 or still open to all Call Managers?
The 6800 series phones are sold into Open Standards market (Broadsoft, Asterisk etc.) as well as behind
Mitel solutions (MX-ONE, 5000, 400, Telepo, etc.). They will continue to be open and R5.0 does not lock
them to Mitel platforms.

[jmarcwsp1]

v6.3 will not be released until Feb. 2018?

[aoberlin]

Is there anyway to get the Beta release before then?  Also can anyone point me to the application 5.1 documentation?   I can't seem to find it anywhere.

[acejavelin]

Is there anyway to get the Beta release before then?  Also can anyone point me to the application 5.1 documentation?   I can't seem to find it anywhere.

No, the only way to get it is to be part of Mitel's beta group, even if you got the software and programmer somehow you couldn't use it because you can't generate a license key for it.

Just use 6.2 documentation, it is the same and if something doesn't apply to older software it should be noted in the documentation.