hi, cheers mark thanks for that, ill try it in the morning, i bought it off ebay a few weeks ago, weve got a big house and was sick of shouting at people, we had a panasonic 1232 for a while but we couldnt get caller id without spending a fortune on cards so we bought this, we also got a ip500 unit, im just messing with them to see which is better the avaya or the mitel, i do like the sound quailty of the speakers on the avaya but havnt tried the mitel yet as i cant get into it. will keep you posted to let you know which one was the best, thnks for all the help.