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5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« on: August 07, 2012, 09:29:35 AM »
Good Morning Everyone,

I have a 5000 system that is currently connected to a 3300 over SIP. All calls for the 5000 in/out are handled by the 3300. Currently to access an "outside" line on the 5000 you press "8" which connect you to the 3300, then you press "9" which is the outgoing call key on the 3300 to gain access to the trunks.

We are looking to simplify this by just dialing "8" from the 5000 and being connected to the outbound trunks on the 3300. So I'd dial 818885552222.

Any thoughts? Thanks!


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5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2012, 10:31:55 AM »
You'll need to make some changes to your 3300's SIP setup so that it doesn't auto-strip the 8. In fact if the only time that you connect through the 3300 is for outside access and don't call any extensions on the 3300, then you should be able to change the trunk attributes to strip the 8 and insert the 9.

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2012, 10:45:37 AM »
Or, you could use ARS (Numbering Plan) in the 5000 and have it insert a 9 whenever it sends a call to the 3300 SIP trunk group.

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2012, 11:42:26 PM »
Awesome. Thanks for the info I'll test tomorrow and report back.

We do currently dial extensions from 5000 to 3300 but its not necessary. If I could do both that would be awesome but if not they can dial the direct did and they system will still ring the ext.

Also, where would I look in the 5000 for where its set to grab the trunks on the 3300 when you push 8? I have a system that's almost setup identical however you dial 8 it grabs a loop start. All the sip connectivity is functioning I just want to change it to grab the trunks when I'm ready.


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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2012, 03:25:12 PM »
ARS is the way to do this as acejavelin says.
Look into adding a new dial rule, facility group and route group. Be real careful though as you can muck in here big style. Use F1 on line help

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 02:27:23 PM »
Thanks everyone for the responses. Sorry for the super long delay in posting back. OK, I've gone into the 5000 and figured some of it but some doesnt make sense. Let me try and map it out for you right now:


Facility Group - P1506
Dial Rule - 1 - Echo Access
Trunk Group/Node - 92002 - 3300   --This is correct.

Route Group - P1001
Dial Pattern - 10005
Facility Groups - P1506

Dial Rules
The number 8 has an add 9 next to it.

Ok this is how it was currently setup without me making any changes to it. What I am totally confused on is the Route Group. The dial pattern is 10005 which is an extension on the 3300 side of things. Should it just be "8"? Because remember right now from the 5000 you dial 8 and it grabs the outbound trunks on the 3300 and then you must dial 9 to start dialing out.

I just cant figure out on the 5000 where its setup for you to push 8 and then magically be connected. Thoughts?


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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2012, 12:14:54 PM »
Update. Ok I figured it out, well. not the whole 10005 dial pattern. But I went into the Associated Extensions for a phone, set the outgoing extension to the SIP trunk group and was able to grab the SIP trunks at our corporate location.

My feature key for outgoing calls is 8.

In dial rules I told it to add "9" for number 8.

However when I press 8 to grab an the trunk it doesnt pass the 9. I still must dial it.

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2012, 10:31:42 PM »
JeremyWatco,

I think you are confused on how the 5000 works. I will try to explain as best I can and maybe this will help you with your programming.

[8] is a feature code, and with all feature codes in the 5000 it is changeable but not necessary.

When you press [8] on an idle phone it will look at the phones associated extension and for the outgoing call which if programmed for ARS will be 9200 or 92000 for ARS. You can look this up under System > Devices and Feature Codes > Feature Codes.

If you changed your Outgoing extension on the phone to the SIP trunk group it will no longer use your ARS rules to route the call if the SIP Trunk Group allows for direct dial by having Toll Restriction set to Exempt from ARS only or ARS Only is not in the Class of Service for that phone.

That means anything you did under Numbering Plan is null and void for that call, which is why you were still forced to dial the 9 when hitting your 3300.

Since you already created a Dial Rule on #8 to Add 9 you are off to a good start.

If you want to make it easy on yourself then just change all the default, read existing, Facility Groups to add the dial rule #8 to the top of the Dial Rules List; which will insert a 9 prior to dialing the rest of the dialed digits.

Facility groups determine the trunk groups that will route calls and the required dial rules.

The default facility group values are as follows:

Local: This group uses Trunk Group 1 and Dial Rules 3 and 4.

Toll Local: This facility group uses Trunk Group 1 and Dial Rules 2 and 4.

Toll Long Distance: This facility group uses Trunk Group 1 and Dial Rules 1, 2, 3, and 4.

Operator: This facility group uses Trunk Group 1 and Dial Rules 1, 2, 3, and 4.

International Station: This facility group uses Trunk Group 1 and Dial Rules 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7.

International Operator: This facility group uses Trunk Group 1 and Dial Rules 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7.

If you want to work on one from scratch then here is what you do.

Under Facility Groups Create a new one and Label it SIP to 3300 or something that will make sense to you or anyone else who looks at it.

Drill down into the Facility Group and open up Dial Rules. At this point you want to pass everything that is dialed so Add Numbers 1-4 and 8. Make sure that 8 is at the top of the list.

8    Add 9
1    Echo Equal Acess
2    Echo Toll Field
3    Echo 3 Digits After Toll Field
4    Echo Local Address

After that then Drill down into Trunk Groups/Nodes and add your SIP Trunk Group, I believe you stated earlier it was 92002. Make sure it is the only one there.

Now, go to your Route Groups and Create a new Route Group.

When the 5000 looks in the Route Group it will look for a match for the dialed digits and then use that Route to send the call out.

So we want to put our new Route Group at the top of the list, you can pull it up to the top and drop it.

Make the Dial Pattern Rule the same as what is in Toll Long Distance [Q]TNXXXXXXX+ which will basically match up with any number you dial.

Then change the Facility Groups to your new Facility Group created earlier and test your call to the outside.

For 911, which is what I would worry about, there is more programming required.

Good Luck,

Steven

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2012, 10:34:43 AM »
Awesome. Thanks! I'll give it a shot.

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2012, 12:44:27 PM »
I was looking at this... what should I set the outgoing extention to on each phone if not the sip trunk? How do I default it back to ARS?

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 03:45:44 PM »
Under the extension number you have an option for Outside access.  It will be pointed to a facility group, trunk or ARS.

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2012, 04:25:01 PM »
Perfect, Thanks

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2012, 01:51:21 PM »
JeremyWatco,

ARS is usually 9200 or 92000 depending on the version your DB Programming started on. To find out for sure go to

System

Devices and Feature Codes

Feature Codes and look for Automatic Route Selection [ARS]

Go to the extensions you want to change.

Go to Associated Extension

Change Outgoing Extension to the code for ARS.

Thanks,

Steven

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Re: 5000 Dial 8 To get Outside Line
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2012, 12:03:46 PM »
OK. To follow up. Everything works awesome!!

911 shouldnt be an issue I dont think, I can test but we currently have all outbound calls that are routed to the 3300 mapped to an outgoing DID. That DID has this remote locations information assigned to it specifically for 911.

Also they have a panic button kinda.. they have a single analog trunk they can hit and dial 911 if need be.

Thanks again for all the help.


 

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